"I don't understand where the line is"

I'm still unsure quite what to make of Fat White Family. Neither their albums nor their much-vaunted live shows have really done it for me - or at least not to the extent that I might have been led to believe.

But Ten Thousand Apologies - the latest book from the White Rabbit stable, co-authored by Adelle Stripe and the band's frontman and arch provocateur Lias Saoudi - sounds like an essential purchase, as brutally frank an exploration of the extent to which musicians can debase themselves as Mark Lanegan's Sing Backwards And Weep.

Here's Saoudi talking to the Independent's Rupert Hawksley about the book, heroin, politics and cancel culture. Needless to say, he's not a fan of the latter.